Fiona Kelly is the founder of Executive PA Forum, Ireland’s only L&D platform for EAs, PAs and business support professionals.
In this episode of The Leader Assistant Podcast, Fiona talks about the changes she has seen in the executive support industry since launching her first summit in 2010, her process for hiring trainers, and more.
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Fiona Kelly is the founder of Executive PA Forum, Ireland’s only L&D platform for EAs, PAs and business support professionals.
With a background in conference production and events, she co-founded Miss Jones Ireland – a venue-finding agency that also serves the profession helping to find the right venues and suppliers for their meetings,conferences and events. She manages both businesses in Ireland with her sister Aisling.
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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
00:00 Fiona Kelly
Hi there, my name is Fiona Kelly and my favorite leadership quote is a good leader inspires people to have confidence in the leader. A great leader inspires people to have confidence in themselves and that is from Eleanor Roosevelt.
00:20 Intro
The Leader Assistant podcast exists to encourage and challenge assistants to become confident, game-changing leader assistants.
00:36 Jeremy Burrows
Hey friends, welcome to the Leader Assistant Podcast. It’s your host, Jeremy Burrows, and this is episode 383. Of course, you can check out the show notes at leaderassistant.com/383.
00:49 Jeremy Burrows
Today, I’m very excited to be speaking with Fiona Kelly. Fiona is the founder of Executive PA Forum, Ireland’s only leadership and development platform for
01:02 Jeremy Burrows
EAs, PAs and business support professionals. Fiona, welcome to the show.
01:07 Fiona Kelly
Thanks for having me, Jeremy. It’s such a pleasure to be here.
01:10 Jeremy Burrows
Yeah. And so you’re in Ireland. Are you in what part of Ireland are you in?
01:18 Fiona Kelly
I am in Dublin at the moment.
01:20 Fiona Kelly
I’m from a town called Carlow, which is about an hour south of Dublin. And, yeah, we have a lovely open space office here.
01:31 Fiona Kelly
So it’s, yeah, it’s lovely to drop in and out when I can. I’m on the road a lot, out and about a lot. So, yeah, it’s great to be in the office today and chatting to you.
01:40 Jeremy Burrows
Awesome. What’s your favorite thing to do when you’re not working?
01:44 Fiona Kelly
Oh, I love Zumba.
01:46
Yeah.
01:47 Jeremy Burrows
Zumba. That’s like one of those exercise things, right?
01:50 Fiona Kelly
It is. It is. It’s my favorite exercise to do. Yeah, I don’t really like going to the gym except for the classes. I love those kind of, you know, high energy activity classes with lots of music. And I just, yeah, I love walking and tennis and TV and, you know, all those kind of things when I’m not working on my business and just spend a lot of time with friends and family other than that.
02:19 Jeremy Burrows
That’s great. That’s great.
02:22 Jeremy Burrows
Tell us a little bit about your career, your experience, you know, your background. And then, you know, fast forward to today with what you’re doing now and how you got here.
02:36 Fiona Kelly
Sure. So I did a degree in business and law at University College Dublin.
02:45 Fiona Kelly
And I actually did the degree thinking that I would go down the legal route. But while I was studying, I realized, oh, this is a lot. It’s a lot of studying, continuous learning, you know, and all of that. So I kind of veered more towards the business end of things. And once I graduated, I just thought, OK, I’ll just get a job. I’ll just take any job. just to get started and I actually started my career in recruitment and that gave me a great grounding in sales and managing my own desk and obviously communicating with people and networking and everything like that so I loved that side of it and I really loved business but there was always kind of a niggle at me because I did have a lot of events when I was working in or when I was studying in UCD I was you know member of a few different societies and sports clubs so I always kind of had this niggle about getting into events.
03:40 Fiona Kelly
And when I went travelling to Sydney, I did a couple of years in recruitment and then I went travelling to Sydney and I worked there for almost two years. And I had the opportunity to work in recruitment there, but I got offered a job elsewhere. in a conference production company. So that was going to be, you know, putting conferences together across a range of different topics like what I had studied in my degree, you know, management, accounting, blended learning and HR. And so one of the conferences that we did there was for executive assistants. And so I just, you know, I got to actually learn about the role as I was doing those conferences.
04:21 Fiona Kelly
And I didn’t quite work so much on the event management side of the events at that time, but it was always something that I kind of wanted to explore further when I got back to Ireland. So when I did come back from Sydney, I ended up setting up my own events business and I started working on client events like, you know, fundraisers and conferences and workshops and things like that. But at the same time, I also founded the first executive PA conference in Ireland.
04:54 Fiona Kelly
And there was nothing like it. There’d been a couple of events, you know, that had run up until that point. This was back in 2010.
05:03 Fiona Kelly
But there was nothing else. And so, like, we got a great response when we started. I say we now have to introduce my sister, Aisling, who I work with in the business, who founded Executive PA Forum with me. All those years ago, she was just coming out of college and had studied HR and business as well. So it was a nice, you know, it was good timing and everything like that. And over the years, I suppose what happened was it just evolved. You know, the executive PA training just evolved. You know, I started working with other trainers in the UK and the US. And it actually got to the stage where I let go of my event clients and I started working just focusing on the executive training and courses. So that’s how executive forum came about and was born. And so now we have our platform for members there and the executive summit is our annual
06:00 Fiona Kelly
flagship conference that we have um it’s two days a year and everyone always says oh could you do another one in six months and i’m like oh it’s too much work all together and like if i knew that i’d get you know that about 100 people would sign up straight away i’d be like yeah let’s do it but it’s just that thing you know yourself with the role how demanding it is to try and get days out of the office and all the rest of it um
06:27 Fiona Kelly
is tough. So that’s kind of what actually led me to starting the Executive PA Forum. And it was really interesting just before COVID, myself and Aisling did a branding course with a branding expert here in Dublin. And she was talking, like it was a phenomenal course that we did because we really got to step back and look at the business and look at how we promoted and advertised what we did and, you know, like got our messaging across.
06:56 Fiona Kelly
And we realized she said, you need a brand story, you know. And so I was like, well, this is the story. And she was like, dig deeper, dig deeper. And myself and Aisling had this moment one day where we’re like, our dad was a school principal, a teacher, and our mom was a secretary. So I was like, oh, my goodness, education.
07:18 Fiona Kelly
Like, you know, runs in the family. This didn’t just happen by accident, you know, that we just have such a I suppose it’s like that we have such a kind of a rapport with our network. And naturally, like it’s mostly women, as you know, but it was just very interesting when we had that kind of light bulb moment of like, oh, this explains everything. Why have we have such an affinity with with this group and this profession?
07:45 Fiona Kelly
Anyway, so that’s that’s basically that’s where we are, where we are today.
07:50 Jeremy Burrows
Awesome. So how has the profession changed since you started? I think you said your first summit was in 2010. Is that right?
08:05 Fiona Kelly
That’s right.
08:06 Jeremy Burrows
Yeah. It’s been several years now. So what are the changes that you’ve seen in the industry?
08:13 Fiona Kelly
I know I’ve got the wrinkles to show for it over 15 years now, which is so hard to believe. But I suppose a lot of the change is coming from the demands that are being placed on the role, on the people in the profession. It’s obviously, it goes without saying, like AI has just taken over every conversation now nearly. And
08:41 Fiona Kelly
What I love to see is where there’s extra responsibility and there’s a lot more strategic collaboration happening with the people in our network and their execs, the people that they support.
08:52 Fiona Kelly
It has gone like not not that I mean, there was there was a limited number of EAs who I remember, you know, inviting to speak at the conference or. or who I was networking with at the time, who were at a higher level, who sat at the leadership table, who, you know, like they were involved, they were really involved, but they were definitely in the minority. Whereas now that is flipped. And I think the expectations on the role is that the majority should be at that position, you know, where they’re…
09:23 Fiona Kelly
you know, have that voice at the table and will make suggestions and will represent their execs when they’re not there and, you know, can start making decisions for them.
09:36 Fiona Kelly
And I won’t, I actually don’t know enough about, I see a lot about the chief of staff versus EA debate online. And I kind of stay away from it because I do think it’s different. And I think every single company will, Whatever the job title is, it is like it’s a different job nearly in every company. Every company has their own structure and policy and the way that the role is positioned. And every EA has a different career path. But I think I think that’s the biggest change that I’ve seen is that there is a requirement. for the EAs to step up and to give more than maybe what was traditionally more transactional kind of work and processing and administration.
10:21 Fiona Kelly
So, yeah, that’s, I think, I mean, I’m sure you’ve seen it too.
10:26 Fiona Kelly
But yeah, those, I think, are the main changes that I’ve seen.
10:29 Jeremy Burrows
Yeah, I totally agree. And
10:33 Jeremy Burrows
I have been doing the, well, I’ve been an assistant for about 20 years and been doing the training for about 10 years. And yeah, I agree 100% that a lot of the shifts in the requirements are, hey, we need you to be more of a business partner. We need you to be more strategic and manage things.
11:01 Jeremy Burrows
the way I would say it is, you know, my executive wants me to manage his energy.
11:08 Fiona Kelly
Yeah. Okay.
11:10 Jeremy Burrows
More so, more so than his time in a lot of ways, because, you know, there’s, there’s a lot of technology and AI and automation and tools that are really good at managing time, but they, they don’t understand the energy management side as well. And so that’s, that’s how I’ve seen it changes in my experience too. So
11:32 Fiona Kelly
Absolutely, because there’s a huge expectation on the leader to always be on and to always have that kind of energy and to be showing, you know, strength and direction and everything like that. So it’s they don’t want their headspace being clogged up. And we actually recently hired a VA to do like 10, 15 hours a month for us and just the difference already is you know it’s incredible like and just to think oh I can give this to somebody to help me with how amazing you know and it does it kind of frees up your time to then it’s almost like making space for other opportunities or you know having more time to spot other opportunities and come up with ideas instead of being stuck in the weeds if you like you know so hopefully the next time I’m talking to you Jeremy we’ll have someone full time but at the moment it’s a kind of a yeah like for the first time in how many years that we have someone who’s supporting us so it’s brilliant
12:35 Jeremy Burrows
So, OK, you mentioned your sister is in business with you, your co-founder. Is that right? Yes.
12:41 Fiona Kelly
Yeah.
12:42 Jeremy Burrows
So what’s you know, I have a sister, I have two brothers and, you know, it can be fun working with them. It also can be annoying working with them. So tell us about the joys and pains of running a business with your sister.
12:57 Fiona Kelly
Yes. So I think overall, it’s a really positive experience. And sometimes when I think about it and I think about us not working together, I just go, I don’t know if it would be the same experience for me, you know, because it because we both know everybody.
13:13 Fiona Kelly
We both know everyone. You know, we know everyone in the network. We know they’re they’re about their families we know about their roles and you know we’ll always kind of like we’ve made so many friends and it’s just really nice then that I can kind of share that experience with my sister as well like generally we’ll get on a call if we’ve got to talk about something and we’ll be like okay we have half an hour and then like for the first 10 minutes we’ll be talking about something to do with our family or you know just personal life or whatever which is fine I mean that’s That can happen with any colleague. But then we’re like, OK, now we better get through this.
13:50 Fiona Kelly
But it’s so lovely to have those experiences like and, you know, at times where I don’t tend to kind of panic or stress around events, like obviously there’s things that can go wrong and you have to think on your feet a lot. But during those times where like the pressure is on, it’s really nice to have someone who knows you so well
14:11 Fiona Kelly
And, you know, we both know each other so well to kind of go, like, she’s really good at going, calm now. Okay, let’s think about this. You know, what do we need? Like, this is not something to worry about. And likewise, you know, with her, I’ll be kind of like… OK, no, I like no, no, I definitely know that this is the right thing to do here. If she’s going to push him back on something like naturally, it’s very rare. I’m not just saying it naturally. We will have we will like clash or kind of like during those times of pressure, just be like, oh, or like, you know, if I have to call her by her full name, she’s like.
14:51 Fiona Kelly
you know, I sound like I’m in trouble or something. But like, what’s really nice is we’ve just kind of learned that really nice way of working together. And she has her strengths and I have mine and they don’t clash. And I think that’s actually why it works so well.
15:07 Fiona Kelly
But overall, yeah, it’s just really nice. It would be, I don’t even know what the experience would be if I wasn’t working with her throughout it. And I suppose what I love about it, too, is it has just evolved that way, almost like the network that we have has evolved that way, too.
15:23 Jeremy Burrows
That’s great.
15:24 Jeremy Burrows
Well, so speaking of sister, you have a sister business, Miss Jones Ireland, that also supports the profession. Tell us a little bit about that.
15:37 Fiona Kelly
That’s right. So I guess what prompted us to start Miss Jones in Ireland was over COVID again, like we were dealing with lots of different government agencies here that were kind of supporting us to pivot and to look at what else we can do. Like everything that we did went online, any training courses, our annual event.
15:59 Fiona Kelly
And, you know, yourself, it was like a really difficult time. And so we said, OK, well, let’s look at what else we can do. And because as I said earlier, we have a background in events and event management. We had always been hosting events, networking events and, you know, fam trips and things like that with our network. And we were introducing them to a lot of venues and suppliers, you know, at our annual conference, we would have had exhibitors and sponsors involved with that as well.
16:28 Fiona Kelly
So we said, oh, why don’t we create a directory? You know, let’s start there. Let’s try and get some support. There was a lot of kind of, web development support that the agencies were giving out at the time.
16:40 Fiona Kelly
And so we went about starting our own directory. And, you know, like you almost need to have a degree in IT to understand the back end of things and, you know, everything like that. And so it was just very serendipitous. At the same time, I was on I was invited on to a
17:00 Fiona Kelly
UK and Ireland PA network leaders call.
17:03 Fiona Kelly
And there was a girl, Lisa Boiselle, who was on that call as well, who is the founder of Miss Jones in the UK, Miss Jones Group. And I heard her speaking. She has an Irish accent. I thought, oh, my goodness, how do I not know her already?
17:19 Fiona Kelly
So I reached out to her and I was like, let’s grab a coffee. And we were both living in London at the same time.
17:26 Fiona Kelly
Because I’m over and back to London, which we’ll get on to. So we literally went for a coffee and a walk. And by the end of that, I said to her, look, we’d love to partner with you. We have the network. We have the connections. you know, we’re doing this already and you’ve got the directory set up and the systems and the processes and everything like that. And Herbie in Irish was like, I always wanted to start Miss Jones in Ireland. So I was like, look, you know, it seems like the perfect thing to do. And so we’ve done that. And so that was three years ago. And we haven’t really looked back since. It’s great to…
18:05 Fiona Kelly
And also just to explain, I suppose, if anyone who doesn’t hasn’t heard of Miss Jones, it’s a venue finding concierge. So finding suppliers and it just makes it just made total sense for us, because also when we had external clients, while we were growing the executive forum, It was very labor intensive, like it took up a lot of time managing events for clients. Whereas with Miss Jones, we’re at the beginning stage. We’re like, help you book a venue. And then, you know, it’s over to you or your teams or whatever it is. So we’re at the beginning stage of… booking venues and suppliers. And so we’re not managing the events then. Now, some clients will come to us and they’ll ask us to do that. And naturally, if we if we have capacity and we’ve got that experience, we’ll do that. We’ll help them with that.
18:59 Fiona Kelly
But that’s kind of how it has grown and grown. And we host events and farm trips. And, you know, we just can continue doing all those things that keeps the network tight and keeps the network meeting up as well.
19:12 Fiona Kelly
And, you know, giving them the opportunity to talk about their challenges, talk about their wins, share contacts, share their knowledge and tools and, you know, things that they’re doing. So it’s kind of, yeah, it’s great to have that sister business and to tell people about it while I’m also talking to them about the training and the courses that we do as well.
19:32 Jeremy Burrows
Nice, nice. That’s great.
19:34 Jeremy Burrows
So, okay, let’s go back to the events for a second. I have a couple questions about your forum that you’ve put on for 15 or so years.
19:44 Jeremy Burrows
Yeah. Tell us about your process for bringing in speakers and trainers and collaborating, like…
19:53 Jeremy Burrows
I’m sure, you know, running this event for a long time and it’s, you know, it’s your, your quote unquote baby, if you will.
20:01 Jeremy Burrows
You want to protect the brand. You want to make sure that you bring in top notch training. You want to make sure that the trainers understand the assistant, you know, job and role and career. So yeah, just, just walk us through a little bit about that process.
20:18 Fiona Kelly
Sure. So yeah,
20:20 Fiona Kelly
we would host or I would host a number of webinars throughout the year.
20:26 Fiona Kelly
Sometimes it’s to help promote a course. Sometimes it’s just, you know, I’ve made a connection with somebody that I think our network would really like to hear about. their their thinking and the knowledge that they have to share. So while I am getting people to, you know, inviting people to sign up for those events and webinars, I will ask, what are the challenges that you’re facing in your role? And so then after that, I’ll kind of assess, you know, I’ll look at the last six months, six to nine months of what the challenges are. And it’s funny because every time I go to, um,
21:04 Fiona Kelly
put together the program for the Executive PA Summit every year, people will say, what’s your theme? And I’m like, I don’t really have one because I think sometimes if you pick a theme, you get stuck on that and it can just narrow everything down. So I always just say the theme evolves depending on what is current. And so I will review all the responses that I’ve gotten for the webinars and I tend to then categorize them, you know. So say for this executive PA, someone coming up, there was like career, strategic career positioning, challenges, managing relationships, uncertainty in the role. So like, you know, there was there was like five or six different themes that kept coming up.
21:53 Fiona Kelly
So once I once I know that I’ll start putting the feeders out and it’s almost again, it’s one of those serendipitous things that sometimes happens.
22:02 Fiona Kelly
I’ll just start connecting with people or I’ll start seeing more of that particular topic or subject area and I’ll just end up meeting the right people now. And sometimes, you know, it works out, sometimes it doesn’t. But for the most part, that that’s my process. And I suppose when I am like assessing somebody, I wouldn’t just kind of hop on a call for 10 minutes and go, oh, you’ll do like I’ll look at their LinkedIn profile, see what their career is. I’ll see if I can find any videos of them online or if they have experience of speaking before.
22:33 Fiona Kelly
And just, you know what I mean, just to kind of assess that level of confidence that they have as well. And I suppose a bonus, like a big part of it is that if they’ve been an EA or they’re currently an EA, they just get the role and they’ll know what the person sitting in the seat in the audience is going through dealing with.
22:54 Fiona Kelly
And, you know, they can just speak to them at that better level. I have obviously I’ve had other speakers and trainers throughout the years who have
23:01 Fiona Kelly
maybe don’t, you know, have that experience in their own. And like, even though they would add great value and everything, there’d just be that little bit missing, you know, that I would find. So where possible, I do try and seek that out. And
23:17 Fiona Kelly
I think all the speakers I have so far this year are former EAs. So I’m really, yeah, I’m really quite happy about that. Workshops are a different thing as well. On our workshop day, it’s a bit of a different thing because it’s a bit more intense. And, you know, there’s not enough in Ireland, like it’s quite a small market there. Obviously we are Ireland’s only L&D platform that hosts an event, a training event like this.
23:45 Fiona Kelly
So sometimes I do have to look outside of the pool because it’s just not big enough here as well.
23:53 Fiona Kelly
But for the most part, I just think it adds that extra layer to the conference that we have and to what people actually learn and the learning outcomes that they have.
24:06 Jeremy Burrows
Nice.
24:07 Jeremy Burrows
Awesome. Thanks for sharing. So another event question I had is, you know, on the experience side.
24:14 Jeremy Burrows
So people have showed up, they’ve registered, you’ve got the speakers lined up, you’ve got the schedule, you’ve done all the logistics.
24:21 Jeremy Burrows
But when you’re actually sitting in the room and you’re actually going from one session to the next and you’re going to lunch and you’re going to the the break and all that, what’s your number one tip for people that are planning events for their companies or organizations when it comes to experience? Like what makes the experience of being in that event, being in the onsite unique or different or memorable? However you do it, what do you think through when you’re planning these events when it comes to how the the attendee experiences it?
24:55 Fiona Kelly
Yeah, I think something that I’ve learned a lot over the years is, especially with the speakers, because like you’re sitting in the room for like, you know, six, seven hours, you have a break for lunch and you have your tea and coffee breaks and things like that. But for the most part, you’re kind of sitting there. So I would always encourage people
25:12 Fiona Kelly
have the audience interaction, ask them questions, get them thinking and reflecting about their roles as opposed to just sitting there and taking in lots of content because that’s kind of what it’s all about, especially in this role. It might be the one chance that people are attending actually get to sit back and think about their role in that time because usually they’re firefighting and dealing with other people’s problems and trying to solve other people’s problems. So it’s like, And that’s one thing that I would encourage is the audience interaction and movement as well. If it’s not for the sake of it, you know, if it’s relevant to the piece and to the topic, have a bit of movement. Like I have one lady this year who is talking about playfulness.
25:56 Fiona Kelly
in your role and how it shows like neuroscience is showing that playfulness in your role and your interactions with your colleagues and everything like that. You know, it actually helps creativity and it helps with problem solving and it helps with team bonding. And because
26:14 Fiona Kelly
Just like a bit of a side note, she actually was L&D manager in Google and she found that the more she was climbing the ranks, the more serious people became, even people that were reporting to her. So, you know, she’s just saying like it’s an overall, like to feel good in your role and everything like that. That’s just kind of one example. So I know she, spoiler alert, well, it won’t be spoiler alert by the time this is going out probably. Yeah.
26:43 Fiona Kelly
But she is going to come on stage dancing, like making a fool of herself and getting everyone kind of relaxed and playful and, you know, like just kind of setting the tone for the day. So I just love. Yeah, I love I love those kind of unique opportunities. And that’s that’s one thing I would say. And then have enough help, have enough hands to help with and, you know, be very clear with who’s responsible for what and make sure that they know what’s what they need to do when they need to do it right that’s another like there’s so many things i could have a whole other podcast with you about events we’ll do a part two sunday do part two for sure
27:24 Jeremy Burrows
Awesome. Well, kind of to wrap things up, I appreciate your time. Thanks again for being on the show. But you mentioned something, you know, when I have guests come on, I ask them what they would like to talk about. And you mentioned something about another career that has grown alongside the executive PA forum.
27:43 Jeremy Burrows
And speaking of playfulness, leaning into creativity and playfulness, whatever your role is. So tell us a little bit about that.
27:52 Fiona Kelly
So when I was in Sydney, I decided to just, you know, I was in a new city and I decided just a way to make friends that I would do some drama classes.
28:02 Fiona Kelly
And I really enjoyed that. And so when I go back to Ireland, I actually trained as an actress while I was had set up my business as well.
28:11 Fiona Kelly
And so that is, I guess, that career has evolved not as rapidly now as the executive PA for him, because you do need to really nurture that as well. But I’ve done lots of plays, you know, lots of theatre touring. And I’ve also started writing the last few years again, kind of COVID pushed me into writing more. So I’ve done a lot of screenwriting. And I just I suppose when I’m writing, I don’t care if it never goes anywhere, if no one ever picks it up or sees it. I just have enjoy it so much when I am doing it. And I kind of entertain myself when I’m writing. So so I love that side of it. And then, you know, Obviously, I have an agent in London and I, you know, go for auditions anytime that he calls me or, you know, a lot of it is self-tapes now so I can fit it in between my business work as well, which is great.
29:11 Fiona Kelly
And yeah, so that’s why I always love that idea of bringing creativeness into your life, whatever way it is, because I just think it’s so important. I think when we’re in school, There’s such a focus on academics, well, in Ireland anyway. And I just love to see more like more emphasis on sport and art and creativity as well. So that is my other. So that’s kind of like that’s part three episode, Jeremy, where we talk about my acting and writing and my experiences there. But the funny thing is, like they’re all linked, you know, they’re all connected. They’re all kind of like events is you’re putting on a show, you know, there’s a performance, there’s a point like the speakers are up on a stage. It’s very similar to, OK, you don’t get to rehearse a conference, but you’d like to think that the speakers will rehearse what they’re going to talk about.
30:03 Fiona Kelly
That’s kind of the same when you’re on stage and theatre, you’re performing to an audience and you just want to give them something where they feel comfortable. where they feel something and where they feel good coming out of it. And I’ve learned something, you know, so, um, it’s all, it’s all of it linked.
30:18 Jeremy Burrows
That’s awesome.
30:20 Fiona Kelly
Yeah.
30:20 Jeremy Burrows
Great Fiona. Well, keep up the good work and I really hope to make it to Dublin in, uh, Ireland’s on my bucket list. I have actually have a cousin, uh, in Ireland, but, uh,
30:35 Jeremy Burrows
I’m part Irish. I don’t know how much, but I know last name Burroughs. And I did some research and have cousins. So like, I know, I know there’s some Irish in me.
30:43 Fiona Kelly
Well, you’d have to come and find them.
30:45 Jeremy Burrows
Exactly. Exactly.
30:46 Fiona Kelly
Welcome at our executive PA summit, Jeremy.
30:49 Jeremy Burrows
Yeah, I would love to. So thanks again for being on the show. Where’s the best place? I’ll put everything, all the links and everything in your bio and all that in the show notes at leaderassistant.com/383
31:01 Jeremy Burrows
But if there’s one place that you’re like, hey, you want to find out more, where should they go?
31:06 Fiona Kelly
ExecutivePAforum.com.
31:09 Jeremy Burrows
Perfect.
31:10 Fiona Kelly
And you can also find me on LinkedIn. I’m on LinkedIn. You’ll find me there too.
31:14 Jeremy Burrows
Awesome.
31:15 Jeremy Burrows
All righty. Well, thanks again. We’ll talk soon and, you know, be on the lookout listeners for part two and three someday.
31:24 Fiona Kelly
Thanks so much, Jeremy.
